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		<title>Comment on Who wants to be a millionaire? by euandus2</title>
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		<dc:creator>euandus2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s meeting and &quot;scolding&quot; of the bankers...just political theatre to assuage or placate us.  In the meantime, the banks are coming back stronger...more of a threat...
See: http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/obamas-meeting-with-the-top-bankers-show-whos-on-top-again/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s meeting and &#8220;scolding&#8221; of the bankers&#8230;just political theatre to assuage or placate us.  In the meantime, the banks are coming back stronger&#8230;more of a threat&#8230;<br />
See: <a href="http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/obamas-meeting-with-the-top-bankers-show-whos-on-top-again/" rel="nofollow">http://euandus3.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/obamas-meeting-with-the-top-bankers-show-whos-on-top-again/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Inconvenient untruth by hkyson</title>
		<link>http://tarmojuristo.wordpress.com/2009/12/04/climategate/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>hkyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Climategate” started out when there appeared on the Internet a collection of e-mails of a group of climatologists who work in the University of East Anglia in England. These documents reveal that some climatologists of international preeminence have manipulated the data of their investigations and have strongly tried to discredit climatologists who are not convinced that the increasing quantities of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere are the cause of global warming.

It is true that a majority of the scientists who study climatic tendencies in our atmosphere have arrived at the conclusion that the world’s climate is changing, and they have convinced a group of politicians, some of whom are politically powerful, of the truth of their conclusions.

A minority, however, is skeptical. Some believe that recent data that suggest that the average temperature of the atmosphere is going up can be explained by natural variations in solar radiation and that global warming is a temporary phenomenon. Others believe that the historical evidence indicating that the temperature of the atmosphere is going up at a dangerous rate is simply not reliable.

Such lacks of agreement are common in the sciences. They are reduced and eventually eliminated with the accumulation of new evidence and of more refined theories or even by completely new ones. Such debates can persist for a period of decades. Academics often throw invective at one another in these debates. But typically this does not mean much.

But the case of climate change is different. If the evidence indicates that global warming is progressive, is caused principally by our industrial processes, and will probably cause disastrous changes in our atmosphere before the end of the twenty-first century, then we do not have the time to verify precisely if this evidence is reliable. Such a process would be a question of many years of new investigations. And if the alarmist climatologists are right, such a delay would be tragic for all humanity.

The difficulty is that economic and climatologic systems are very complicated. They are not like celestial mechanics, which involves only the interaction of gravity and centrifugal force, and efforts to construct computerized models to describe these complicated systems simply cannot include all the factors that are influential in the evolution of these complicated systems.

All this does not necessarily indicate that the alarmist climatologists are not right. But it really means that if global warming is occurring, we cannot know exactly what will be the average temperature of our atmosphere in the year 2100 and what will be the average sea level of the world’s ocean in that year.

It also means that we cannot be confident that efforts by the industrialized countries to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere will have a significant influence on the evolution of the world’s climate.

Alas, the reduction of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere would be very costly and would greatly change the lives of all the inhabitants of our planet--with the possibility (perhaps even the probability!) that all these efforts will be completely useless.

Harleigh Kyson Jr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Climategate” started out when there appeared on the Internet a collection of e-mails of a group of climatologists who work in the University of East Anglia in England. These documents reveal that some climatologists of international preeminence have manipulated the data of their investigations and have strongly tried to discredit climatologists who are not convinced that the increasing quantities of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere are the cause of global warming.</p>
<p>It is true that a majority of the scientists who study climatic tendencies in our atmosphere have arrived at the conclusion that the world’s climate is changing, and they have convinced a group of politicians, some of whom are politically powerful, of the truth of their conclusions.</p>
<p>A minority, however, is skeptical. Some believe that recent data that suggest that the average temperature of the atmosphere is going up can be explained by natural variations in solar radiation and that global warming is a temporary phenomenon. Others believe that the historical evidence indicating that the temperature of the atmosphere is going up at a dangerous rate is simply not reliable.</p>
<p>Such lacks of agreement are common in the sciences. They are reduced and eventually eliminated with the accumulation of new evidence and of more refined theories or even by completely new ones. Such debates can persist for a period of decades. Academics often throw invective at one another in these debates. But typically this does not mean much.</p>
<p>But the case of climate change is different. If the evidence indicates that global warming is progressive, is caused principally by our industrial processes, and will probably cause disastrous changes in our atmosphere before the end of the twenty-first century, then we do not have the time to verify precisely if this evidence is reliable. Such a process would be a question of many years of new investigations. And if the alarmist climatologists are right, such a delay would be tragic for all humanity.</p>
<p>The difficulty is that economic and climatologic systems are very complicated. They are not like celestial mechanics, which involves only the interaction of gravity and centrifugal force, and efforts to construct computerized models to describe these complicated systems simply cannot include all the factors that are influential in the evolution of these complicated systems.</p>
<p>All this does not necessarily indicate that the alarmist climatologists are not right. But it really means that if global warming is occurring, we cannot know exactly what will be the average temperature of our atmosphere in the year 2100 and what will be the average sea level of the world’s ocean in that year.</p>
<p>It also means that we cannot be confident that efforts by the industrialized countries to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere will have a significant influence on the evolution of the world’s climate.</p>
<p>Alas, the reduction of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere would be very costly and would greatly change the lives of all the inhabitants of our planet&#8211;with the possibility (perhaps even the probability!) that all these efforts will be completely useless.</p>
<p>Harleigh Kyson Jr.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Inconvenient untruth by tarmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two articles on the same topic from Foreign Policy: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/12/04/unweird_science?page=full&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/12/04/the_heat_is_on?page=full&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two articles on the same topic from Foreign Policy: <a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/12/04/unweird_science?page=full" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/12/04/the_heat_is_on?page=full" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have a good crisis! by tarmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not quite sure if I get your point. First of all, there can never be &quot;&#039;free market&#039; economy in its true sense&quot;. Textbooks deal with an abstraction, a model if you like. And I don&#039;t think that there is a country in the world that would state its &lt;i&gt;raison d&#039;etre&lt;/i&gt; as being a text-book example of free markets in action. Thus I am also quite sure that any serious economist would recognize this and not be &quot;confused&quot; if it turns out that the reality is somehow more complex than the model that aims to describe (and thus necessarily simplify) it. The confusion is about something else entirely.

I also can&#039;t bring myself to believe in a global capitalist conspiracy having extended its tentacles deep into economic science, trying to somehow keep the lid on &quot;truth&quot;--as indeed I don&#039;t believe that &quot;truth&quot; is a proper category to apply for economics. There quite simply isn&#039;t one right way to do things and the basis of choice between different alternatives is therefore never epistemological rather than utilitarian (or political, if you prefer that word). We don&#039;t choose one economic system over the other because it would be somehow intrinsically better or &quot;right&quot; one, we choose them because we, for better or worse, want to achieve certain society over the others. And this means that if someone makes a theoretical point that is in favour of &lt;i&gt;laissez-faire&lt;/i&gt; then it doesn&#039;t necessarily follow that s/he is somehow &#039;kept&#039; by capitalist establishment--it is quite possible to honestly believe that this &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a desirable society to live in. 

As to &quot;diverting huge funds from real economy to Wall Street&quot;--I would maintain that those huge funds were not diverted rather than &lt;b&gt;created&lt;/b&gt; there. If you think for a moment what a derivative is--if for instance you and me agree to a bet on whether Dubai will be able to serve its debt or not, let&#039;s say I bet you 50 cents to a dollar that it is, then would you say that what just happened was that you diverted a dollar and me 50c from the &quot;real economy of Dubai&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not quite sure if I get your point. First of all, there can never be &#8220;&#8216;free market&#8217; economy in its true sense&#8221;. Textbooks deal with an abstraction, a model if you like. And I don&#8217;t think that there is a country in the world that would state its <i>raison d&#8217;etre</i> as being a text-book example of free markets in action. Thus I am also quite sure that any serious economist would recognize this and not be &#8220;confused&#8221; if it turns out that the reality is somehow more complex than the model that aims to describe (and thus necessarily simplify) it. The confusion is about something else entirely.</p>
<p>I also can&#8217;t bring myself to believe in a global capitalist conspiracy having extended its tentacles deep into economic science, trying to somehow keep the lid on &#8220;truth&#8221;&#8211;as indeed I don&#8217;t believe that &#8220;truth&#8221; is a proper category to apply for economics. There quite simply isn&#8217;t one right way to do things and the basis of choice between different alternatives is therefore never epistemological rather than utilitarian (or political, if you prefer that word). We don&#8217;t choose one economic system over the other because it would be somehow intrinsically better or &#8220;right&#8221; one, we choose them because we, for better or worse, want to achieve certain society over the others. And this means that if someone makes a theoretical point that is in favour of <i>laissez-faire</i> then it doesn&#8217;t necessarily follow that s/he is somehow &#8216;kept&#8217; by capitalist establishment&#8211;it is quite possible to honestly believe that this <i>is</i> a desirable society to live in. </p>
<p>As to &#8220;diverting huge funds from real economy to Wall Street&#8221;&#8211;I would maintain that those huge funds were not diverted rather than <b>created</b> there. If you think for a moment what a derivative is&#8211;if for instance you and me agree to a bet on whether Dubai will be able to serve its debt or not, let&#8217;s say I bet you 50 cents to a dollar that it is, then would you say that what just happened was that you diverted a dollar and me 50c from the &#8220;real economy of Dubai&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Have a good crisis! by D G Bokare</title>
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		<dc:creator>D G Bokare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Present confusion in the minds of capitalist economists, including some Noble Laureates, is because of not practicing &#039;free market&#039; economy in its true sense, and as defined in any textbook on economics. Also abundance of goods and services is today visible in the market due to continuous progress achieved in science and technology. This is unavoidable as the this development in science and technology is essential for making huge profits and simulatenously creating economics of scarcity through advertisements. 
These two fundamental issues were not unexpected by some independent minded economists in the world. As per Paul Samuelson,some of the the present economists are some kind of &#039;kept men&#039; and are under the obligations of capitalists. They, therefore, do not have courage to tell the truth not only on free market philosophy but also on many other issues bothering the capitalists today. Monoppoly and oligopoly market system has been sold as &#039;free market&#039; all these years thereby protecting capitalists. Depression is the effect of abundance achieved in the economy. For this excess supplies, the capitalist class is forcing globalisation concept on many developing countries. This, however, cannot be an eternal process. The results are now visible in the world in the form of global economic depression. Diverting huge funds from real economy to Wall Street and other speculative manipulations by banks and financial institutions is also the outcome of abundance of goods and services in the real economy. 
It is good that many economists now are intending to re-think on many issues by coming together to come out from the present economic chaos, which, if not urgently attended, could become an irreversible one. However, they cannot avoid addressing the above fundamental issues for keeping the future economy in good health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Present confusion in the minds of capitalist economists, including some Noble Laureates, is because of not practicing &#8216;free market&#8217; economy in its true sense, and as defined in any textbook on economics. Also abundance of goods and services is today visible in the market due to continuous progress achieved in science and technology. This is unavoidable as the this development in science and technology is essential for making huge profits and simulatenously creating economics of scarcity through advertisements.<br />
These two fundamental issues were not unexpected by some independent minded economists in the world. As per Paul Samuelson,some of the the present economists are some kind of &#8216;kept men&#8217; and are under the obligations of capitalists. They, therefore, do not have courage to tell the truth not only on free market philosophy but also on many other issues bothering the capitalists today. Monoppoly and oligopoly market system has been sold as &#8216;free market&#8217; all these years thereby protecting capitalists. Depression is the effect of abundance achieved in the economy. For this excess supplies, the capitalist class is forcing globalisation concept on many developing countries. This, however, cannot be an eternal process. The results are now visible in the world in the form of global economic depression. Diverting huge funds from real economy to Wall Street and other speculative manipulations by banks and financial institutions is also the outcome of abundance of goods and services in the real economy.<br />
It is good that many economists now are intending to re-think on many issues by coming together to come out from the present economic chaos, which, if not urgently attended, could become an irreversible one. However, they cannot avoid addressing the above fundamental issues for keeping the future economy in good health.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Going rate for democracy by tarmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/73084982.html&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link on the same topic&lt;/a&gt; from Stanford&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Policy Review&lt;/i&gt; - or to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt: &quot;Speak softly and carry a big carrot&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another <a href="http://www.hoover.org/publications/policyreview/73084982.html" title="" rel="nofollow">link on the same topic</a> from Stanford&#8217;s <i>Policy Review</i> &#8211; or to paraphrase Teddy Roosevelt: &#8220;Speak softly and carry a big carrot&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Choose your own utopia by Sarunas Skyrius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarunas Skyrius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hens don&#039;t want positive skew. Hens want grain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hens don&#8217;t want positive skew. Hens want grain.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Choose your own utopia by Sarunas Skyrius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarunas Skyrius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a bit out of my depth here, but last para resonated well with a book I&#039;m 2/3 through, &quot;Seeking Alpha&quot;. In it, the author posits that investors in reality don&#039;t care about their absolute risk adjusted returns, they care how they do vs others, hens they want positive skew. This is after he shows that CAPM doesn&#039;t work, and that there is no quantifiable or clearly defined relationship between risk and return, due to this &quot;anomaly&quot; of the individual utility function (which can be called in other words, as jealousy and envy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a bit out of my depth here, but last para resonated well with a book I&#8217;m 2/3 through, &#8220;Seeking Alpha&#8221;. In it, the author posits that investors in reality don&#8217;t care about their absolute risk adjusted returns, they care how they do vs others, hens they want positive skew. This is after he shows that CAPM doesn&#8217;t work, and that there is no quantifiable or clearly defined relationship between risk and return, due to this &#8220;anomaly&#8221; of the individual utility function (which can be called in other words, as jealousy and envy).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dead End of History by tarmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I forgot to add to the last comment - assuming conveniently and without question that moving towards capitalism inevitable leads to increasing personal freedoms and ultimately to the emergence of liberal democracy is another thing that Fukuyama (and several others) is guilty of. While it is true that this was the course that the events took in Europe and North America, it is no proof that this relationship is of necessary rather than contingent kind everywhere and at all times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I forgot to add to the last comment &#8211; assuming conveniently and without question that moving towards capitalism inevitable leads to increasing personal freedoms and ultimately to the emergence of liberal democracy is another thing that Fukuyama (and several others) is guilty of. While it is true that this was the course that the events took in Europe and North America, it is no proof that this relationship is of necessary rather than contingent kind everywhere and at all times.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dead End of History by tarmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm. I think this is where it pays to be very careful with terminology. If the only alternatives are totalitarian communism and liberal democracy, then indeed, one would have to agree that China is moving towards the latter. However, I don&#039;t believe that this is all there is. To me it looks that China is trying to find an alternative to &lt;b&gt;both&lt;/b&gt; of those and taking a binary view here only serves to obfuscate things.

This would be akin to looking at the 1930s in Europe as a binary struggle between communism and liberal capitalism - which would make one to concede that Hitler must have been a capitalist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm. I think this is where it pays to be very careful with terminology. If the only alternatives are totalitarian communism and liberal democracy, then indeed, one would have to agree that China is moving towards the latter. However, I don&#8217;t believe that this is all there is. To me it looks that China is trying to find an alternative to <b>both</b> of those and taking a binary view here only serves to obfuscate things.</p>
<p>This would be akin to looking at the 1930s in Europe as a binary struggle between communism and liberal capitalism &#8211; which would make one to concede that Hitler must have been a capitalist.</p>
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